Comments on: Circling the Wagons Beneath High Noon Hill http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/ ...and a few more reasons for climbing mountains Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:25:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-3083 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:45:42 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-3083 It’s nothing to do with health and safety. It’s to do with owners rerouting footpaths to increase their privacy at the public’s expense. And as for “the dreaded Health and Safety at Work Act 1974″ ??? there were 650 fatal accidents in Britain in 1974 when the act was introduced, and that figure has fallen year on year to 150 for the past 12 months. Speaking as someone who lost a grandfather in an industrial accident, I think that’s a good thing.

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By: Paul A. Sherwood http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-3073 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:14:35 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-3073 In well over fifty years of wandering around on open moorland and agricultural land, I have noted there is currently more diversions around property. Public Rights of Way may have run through a farm yard in the past, but I suspect there is nothing more sinister that the dreaded ‘Health & Safety at Work Act 1974′ a working farm is a working environment. I can not just wander along a track through a steel works, power station or construction site, so why should I be allowed to walk through a work environment putting myself and others at risk?
I share your views on the antagonism caused, but I suspect it is generally a safeguard against the ‘litigation culture’ that is rife in modern life. I am more concerned by the lack of waymarking around farm buildings!
As for the spurious comment about turning around in peoples driveways, I have just had to pay over a thousand quid to relay a driveway entrance broken up by constant turning of vehicles, think of that next time you do it !!

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2045 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 10:19:38 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2045 Hi Bee. Thanks very much for your wonderful comment. And don???t worry about rambling on because it???s good to hear from people in different places ??? that???s the great thing about blogging and the internet.
I wish you luck in your search for a Belfast sink, and I would like to help you if I could ??? but with me being in England and you being in Tasmania (which might as well be in a different solar system) there isn???t much I can do about that.
I had a smile at the search term you used when you landed here ???building a kitchen sink???, because I get some really strange examples turning up on the site???s statistics page, as I???m sure other people do. The most bizarre one was ???why is my Dundee cake flat???. I couldn???t help with that one either.
I think the general consensus is that farmers are a race apart no matter what country they???re in. Perhaps they???re even a different species. Having said that, I???ve known some very friendly and generous ones ??? like your neighbour ??? and I was once lodged on a farm for the best part of a year while working near Appleby, in Cumbria, and that gave me an insight into a different way of life.
Cheers, Alen

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By: Bee http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2044 Wed, 30 Jan 2013 03:50:59 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2044 WOOOOW, as my kids would say to something that surprises or facsinates them, as does this ‘beautiful’ – if that would be the right description – rambling story about walking and looking and contemplating stuff in all that word’s meanings . Well that’s how I have been viewing it anyway. I came accross this blog looking for Belfast Sinks. I did not even know that is what they are called – I think I started with something like: ‘building a kitchen sink’ (Note, I didn’t type DIY sinks, re Barry…) and eventually came to your entry about the Belfast sink in the moors.

My son and his partner went rambling over many of the places described in your blog (have to ask him if he saw the sink!) a few years ago and they talked about a Welsh farmer they could not understand who was asking or telling them about walking over a stye (is that the spelling?) and tresspassing though it was public access. Another farmer, I think somewhere up in the North of England, they woke up on one of their walks to tell him a lamb was caught in a tree root and they could not tell if he was grumpy, grateful or maybe both – or neither! It was funny to us back home when they told us about it anyway. I think he would live there if he could. We call him the honourary Englishman.

Meanwhile, I am no closer to finding a reasonably priced belfast (or similar) sink way down in the depths of another world called Tasmania, but i am glad to have found this great site all about walking and talking. When I am walking or reading about it, I sometimes think how much people miss here by not being allowed to walk over land that is apparently private – the rivers, trees, wildlife that is missed because it is ‘owned’ by one person. I like to imagine a places like you describe where the land is still viewed as essentially everyones and at the same time no ones, kind of like many Australian Indigenous people might view land. But it seems like a self-centred or insular way of thinking is catching up everywhere as is described in your blog’s entries.

We are lucky our farmer is friendly though he never says much, and in his own farmer-like way is community minded enough not to mind us walking over his land and telling the neighbours to take potatoes from the plot he put in alongside the public access to his place for everyone to use…Time for me to stop talking and take myself and our dog for our walk through the farmer’s land, up and on to the road and over gumtree and wattle filled hills…

I’ll peak in to this blog now and then as I have found it so enjoyable and I promise not to ramble quite so much if i do add anything else!

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2017 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:09:45 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2017 Jeremy Clarkson strikes me as the type of bloke who would be the first to criticise people who have a genuine grievance under human rights legislation ??? so it warms my heart to learn that he lost his case. Unfortunately, Madonna won a similar fight over public access on her Wiltshire estate “because of the risk of being shot”. So it goes both ways.
You’re probably correct in saying that people come in, buy these places then start rerouting footpaths. In the case of Low Thwaites I believe it stood derelict for many years, but money is being poured into restoring it. Dunno about the other one though.
Cheers, Alen

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By: David http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2015 Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:14:08 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2015 Not the best of days for long reaching views, but the transmitter piercing the cloud looks pretty impressive.

There does seem to be a lot of conflict between landowners in rural areas wanting to reroute footpaths and those who use them. It often seems to be people who buy land knowing the locals walk there and then ignoring the past history, simply begin fencing them out. Sometimes it is because there is nothing officially recorded on the maps. Jeremy Clarkson tried it when he bought a holiday cottage on the Isle of Man but he lost his case. He claimed it was against his human rights for the locals to walk on his land. Fortunately for walkers the ruling also said that all of the paths on this land should now be officially recorded.

It would be interesting to know why those you came across have been diverted as they look to be established rights of way.

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By: mountaincoward http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2010 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:03:48 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2010 I’d certainly join a club like that! ;-)

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2008 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:10:54 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2008 What we should do, just out of badness, is turn around in the driveway, look like we’ve changed our minds again, then reverse into the driveway and turn around again to resume our original directions. We could call ourselves the No Turning Back Club.

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2007 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:06:56 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2007 Do you think it could be one of those folk tales that goes round and round and is attributed to several people or claimed by several people? I’ve being thinking about this “I’ll fight you for it” line all day and I’ve got a suspicion that Mike Harding used something very similar on one of his records.

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By: mountaincoward http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2006 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:25:00 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2006 Hmmm – not sure then but most farmers I know aren’t too bothered about privacy as such – they are bothered about security though. Welsh farmers can be awkward b****s sometimes though…

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By: mountaincoward http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2005 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:24:07 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2005 LOL – it certainly does! I always miss wildlife shots ‘cos I’m not quick enough with my camera

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/01/16/circling-the-wagons-beneath-high-noon-hill/#comment-2004 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:23:10 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=5687#comment-2004 Thank you very much. I like taking pictures of trees. They stand still, and that helps.

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