Comments on: Forever Changing ??? Broad Majestic Duddon http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/ ...and a few more reasons for climbing mountains Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:35:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-3763 Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:59:17 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-3763 Hi Jon. A sobering tale and a lesson to us all. I had a night out in Millom once, so I can see what you mean. My one stark memory is of a Grolch bottle sailing rainbow-like through the disco lights in the nightclub (I forget the name of it) and crashing against a wall.
Poor old Albert Walker. He certainly wasn???t the first person to meet his death out there in the Duddon estuary the worse for drink. And I bet there have been a few since then.
Indeed, about ten years ago I was staying with friends who have a house just up from Green Road station and we went for a night out in the Prince of Wales at Foxfield with the intention of catching the late bus back. We were rather drunk because there was a beer festival in the pub, and when the bus didn???t materialise we actually considered walking along the railway line across the viaduct and along the side of the estuary. It???s not the same as crossing the sands but it???s still a pretty foolhardy thing to contemplate.
In the event, the bus turned up about half an hour late and delivered us safely to Green Road. But looking back, instances like that make you think. Albert Walker probably weighed things up in his befuddled mind but took the wrong decision.
Thanks for the press cutting. Kirkby certainly sounds like it was a lively place in those days.
Cheers, Alen

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By: cheesepare http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-3735 Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:45:55 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-3735 Alen,

I have recently found your blog and have enjoyed so many of the entries.

We live over towards Millom and our village is even on some of your photos. Here is a piece of local journalism which may interest you and shows that things may not change that much – at least in Millom …

Many thanks,

Jon

The Whitehaven News – Thursday, August 25, 1904

DROWNED ON THE DUDDON SANDS.

FOOLHARDY ESCAPADE OF A MILLOM MAN.

THE STATIONMASTER SEES THE MAN GO UNDER WATER, BUT CAN GET NO ASSISTANCE IN TIME.

On Tuesday evening an inquest was held before MR. POOLE (coroner) respecting the death of ALBERT WALKER of Millom. MR. COULTON was foreman of the jury.

WILLIAM HILL, Newton-street, Millom, said he knew ARTHUR WALKER, of 127, Newton-street, who was a mason’s labourer, aged 21 years. On Saturday last he and the deceased left Millom by the 3.18 train. When they got to Kirkby they went to the Railway Inn, and had beer, but he could not say how much the deceased had. Witness had a couple of pints, but the deceased had more. They afterwards had some more drink, witness having a small rum.

THE CORONER: Had you any drink before you came from Millom?
I had none.
Was witness under the influence of drink?
Yes.
You spent all the time at public-houses in Kirkby, and evidently came here to get drunk?
No.
Where did you last see WALKER ?
At the station.
At what time?
Just before the six o’clock train.
Well, did you miss the man or what?
No.
Did you catch the train.
Yes.
What train?
The quarter past six.
Where did you leave WALKER?
At the station.
Why?
Because he would not come.
Why would he not go?
Because he said he was going to go across the sands.
Were you drunk at all?
No.
Well, he was drunk?
Yes.
Why did you leave him?
Because he would not come.

You knew what condition he was in, and you ought to know that he was not fit to cross the sands?
I tried to keep him back, but it was no use. He shoved me back.
All the greater reason you should have followed him. Whereabouts was he going ?
Going across the marsh from the station.

EDWARD PARK FOX, stationmaster at Kirkby, stated that the deceased first came under his notice about five o’clock, when he came onto the down platform. He was helplessly drunk, and the up platform was crowded with passengers for the 5.18 train. Witness got him into the waiting room, and tried to keep him there till the train went. He would not wait, and two of his companions took hold of his arm and brought him across the level crossing, and in going down the platform he was staggering, and nearly knocked a lady down.

Witness lost sight of him for about fifteen minutes, and when he came back he was staggering in front of the station. Witness went and took hold of him by the shoulder, and asked him to lie down and have a sleep.

He made some remark about being able to get over the sands, and witness said he could not as he was not in a fit state. At that time witness was called away and five or ten minutes after he came to look for the deceased, he made inquiries and was told that he had gone on the marsh. He had then got on the sands, and had made his way across the Pool. He was on the green and was staggering along, making in the direction of Millom Station.

He then went to his companion named HILL, and drew his attention to his mate going across the sands, and pointed out the dangerous position he was in. The reply he got was one of indifference – he did not care, or something of that sort.

There was a large crowd on the platform waiting for the 6.16 train, and when he mentioned the matter, some ridiculed the idea of being drowned, and said if he got in the water he would soon be wakened up.

He watched the deceased at intervals through a field glass. He saw him walking and splashing through the water, which he did not think ever got above his knees. He staggered along, and after awhile he could not see him, and he felt sure he had gone under water.

Witness shouted this out, and three young fellows named COULTON, STONES, and EDGAR, went towards him, but when they came back they said when they got to the place where he was last seen, they could see nothing of him.

Just previous to this, witness sent for the police. On account of the crowd that was on the platform, he could not get any of his men to assist until after 6.16, and by that time the man was drowned.

THE CORONER: Do you know if there was any deep place in the direction in which he was going?
I don’t know anything about the depths of the sands across there, but I suppose it is full of holes, and the tide was in.

He could not get across then?
No, if he had even been sober he could not.
Not in a state to hardly know what he was doing?
I don’t think he knew what he was doing. He seemed to be stupid.
Was there anyone you could have got to **** at the time?
There was no one. There was extraordinary traffic. Something like 400 people on both crossings. The platform was crowded with people, mostly from Millom.

Mostly in the same condition as the deceased was in?
Some were under the influence of drink, but I cannot complain about them generally.

GEO. FELL said he found the deceased about five o’clock on Sunday morning on the Duddon Sands.

THE CORONER: Do you know if there was a hole near the place where deceased was found?
There was a break about a yard high, about the place where the men said he had gone in.
I understand the tide was up?
Yes, it would be up.

THE CORONER in summing up, said: This gentleman is the second inquest I have held within the last ten days on Millom men who have gone out of their own district to get drunk. It seems that the deceased and the first witness came over to Kirkby, and they had been practically all the time in public-houses. They no doubt had a great deal of drink, but the other man that was with the deceased was probably not quite so bad as he was, otherwise he would hardly remember what he was doing.

Had he been sober, I would have something very different to say about him leaving his companion in the condition that he was in. Of course, the deceased had no knowledge of the dangers, or he would not have attempted to walk over the sands at any rate when there was a full tide.

They could only find the verdict “That the deceased was drowned whilst drunk in attempting to cross the sands.”

It was exceedingly sad to see the way people made beasts of themselves, and got drunk the way deceased and his companion did.

The jury found the verdict that “The deceased was drowned in crossing the Duddon Sands whilst under the influence of drink.”

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2434 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:56:20 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2434 You’re right, Dohn. It’s good to watch them seeing and learning from the things they can touch and smell.
Cheers, Alen

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By: earthstonestation http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2433 Tue, 30 Apr 2013 05:59:13 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2433 A good talk and a good walk. Taking the wee ones out in nature is something that helps to shape them and they will remember forever Grandpa.

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By: mountaincoward http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2431 Sun, 28 Apr 2013 21:13:17 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2431 Just stick to the lower legs – that’s usually bearable ;-)

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2422 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:04:28 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2422 Hej Hanna. Thank you for your comment. The sea demands a great deal of respect. On a calm day such as that it looks friendly and benign, but when storms roll in from the Irish Sea it can be a dangerous place. Many people have perished on the Duddon sands.
I have reached the conclusion, after many attempts, that it is impossible to capture a dog, a grandchild and myself on the same picture when using the camera automatically. It’s just one of those things.
All the best, Alen

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By: Hanna http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2421 Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:45:38 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2421 I love the view from the sea to the mountains, white peaks. It is a unique landscape.
It can only instill respect when you see how the sea gets landscapes to change character.

The last picture is very beautiful and cozy, and The Grand Child looks extremely happy.
The dog puppy lacks a little enthusiasm in terms to become pictured.

It’s an exciting story and lovely evocative images, Alen.

All the best,
Hanna

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2419 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:10:52 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2419 Hi David. I’ve been through Silverdale and Arnside hundreds of times on the train but never actually done any walking there. But I once spent an afternoon crawling about in some very dirty iron ore mines beneath Warton Crag, about two miles to the south-east of Silverdale.
Hope you took lots of pictures. I shall keep an eye open for them.
Cheers, Alen

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By: David http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2418 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:52:54 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2418 It looks you had a smashing family day out Alen. I don’t know the western coastline well at all, but I am slowly getting to know bits of it. I spent last weekend not too far away walking in the Silverdale/Arnside area, so am getting a bit closer.

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2414 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:12:26 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2414 Hi Paul. Thanks for that. She did sleep that night, but she was up at 7am the next morning, which is a bit on the early side for me.
That’s interesting about the Leeds and Liverpool Canal. I had big plans to walk the whole length of it at one time, starting at Leeds and ending at the docks in Liverpool, but like lots of big plans it got put on a back-burner and forgotten about.
You see pill-boxes in some odd places. There used to be one on the A590 near Newby Bridge that was covered in garden gnomes. I have no idea why it was put there but the gnomes seemed to like it.
Cheers, Alen

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By: McEff http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2413 Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:01:45 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2413 If paddling in seawater is good for your legs and stops you slowing down then I’m going to try it, Carol. But if that leads to taking a plunge in the sea on New Year’s Day, like lots of people do, I’m drawing a line before that stage.
I’ve seen racehorses in the sea at Redcar, so there’s probably something in it.
Cheers, Alen

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By: Paul http://becausetheyrethere.com/2013/04/25/forever-changing-broad-majestic-duddon/#comment-2410 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:25:29 +0000 http://becausetheyrethere.com/?p=6079#comment-2410 A truly wonderful read on the ever changing Duddon estuary.

Hope you all got back in one piece Alan despite some possible sore shoulders there, it looks as if your grand daughter had a great time & no doubt ‘slept that night’

A great meet & chat with Graham with some old stories that you both shared to boot, a great day & a great read as always…

Incidentally, there are Pill Boxes along sections of the Leeds & Liverpool canal close to where I live here in Lancashire, put in place to stop the Germans sailing inland from the Liverpool coastline under cover no doubt… I would love to of seen the face of a German sailor come face to face with a Lancashire bargeman.

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